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Subgroups with all finite lifts isomorphic are conjugate

Ido Karshon, Alexander Lubotzky, D. B. McReynolds, Alan W. Reid, Mark Shusterman

TL;DR

This work shows that non-conjugate subgroups of a finite group $G$ can have non-isomorphic pre-images in a finite extension, by constructing a finite $\widetilde{G}$ with a surjection $\varphi: \widetilde{G}\to G$ where $\varphi^{-1}(G_1)$ and $\varphi^{-1}(G_2)$ are not isomorphic for all non-conjugate $G_1,G_2$. The construction leverages a realization $G \cong \operatorname{Out}(N)$ from a finite $N$ (via Sambale/Cornulier) and yields a kernel that can be chosen supersolvable, preserving solvability when $G$ is solvable. A key application is that $\mathbb{Z}$-coset equivalent subgroups need not be isomorphic, answering a question of Prasad in the negative, and the paper situates these results within profinite rigidity, anabelian geometry, and related areas. The authors also provide a concrete computational example using a $\mathrm{PSL}(2,29)$-based construction to illustrate the finite-quotient phenomenon and discuss broader implications and potential extensions.

Abstract

We show that for non-conjugate subgroups $G_1$ and $G_2$ of a finite group $G$ there exists an extension of $G$ (by a finite group) in which the pre-images of $G_1$ and $G_2$ are not isomorphic. This allows us to show that $\mathbb Z$-coset equivalent subgroups of a finite group are not necessarily isomorphic, answering a question of Dipendra Prasad. We also indicate connections to profinite rigidity, anabelian geometry, mapping class groups, and non-arithmetic lattices in Lie groups.

Subgroups with all finite lifts isomorphic are conjugate

TL;DR

This work shows that non-conjugate subgroups of a finite group can have non-isomorphic pre-images in a finite extension, by constructing a finite with a surjection where and are not isomorphic for all non-conjugate . The construction leverages a realization from a finite (via Sambale/Cornulier) and yields a kernel that can be chosen supersolvable, preserving solvability when is solvable. A key application is that -coset equivalent subgroups need not be isomorphic, answering a question of Prasad in the negative, and the paper situates these results within profinite rigidity, anabelian geometry, and related areas. The authors also provide a concrete computational example using a -based construction to illustrate the finite-quotient phenomenon and discuss broader implications and potential extensions.

Abstract

We show that for non-conjugate subgroups and of a finite group there exists an extension of (by a finite group) in which the pre-images of and are not isomorphic. This allows us to show that -coset equivalent subgroups of a finite group are not necessarily isomorphic, answering a question of Dipendra Prasad. We also indicate connections to profinite rigidity, anabelian geometry, mapping class groups, and non-arithmetic lattices in Lie groups.
Paper Structure (10 sections, 10 theorems, 4 equations)

This paper contains 10 sections, 10 theorems, 4 equations.

Key Result

Theorem 1.1

Let $G$ be a finite group. Then there exists a finite group $\widetilde{G}$ and a surjective group homomorphism $\varphi \colon \widetilde{G} \to G$ such that for any two non-conjugate subgroups $G_1, G_2 \le G$, the pre-images $\widetilde{G}_1 = \varphi^{-1}(G_1)$ and $\widetilde{G}_2 = \varphi^{-1

Theorems & Definitions (19)

  • Theorem 1.1
  • Theorem 1.2: Y. Cornulier
  • Theorem 1.4
  • Corollary 1.6
  • Theorem 1.7
  • Lemma 2.1
  • proof
  • Proposition 3.1
  • proof
  • proof : Proof of Corollary \ref{['CorProfComp']}
  • ...and 9 more