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Separating versus ordinary Noether numbers

Mátyás Domokos, Barna Schefler

TL;DR

This work investigates the separating Noether number $\beta_{ ext{sep}}^K(G)$ for finite groups in the non-modular setting, comparing it to the ordinary Noether number $\beta^K(G)$. It proves exact values for groups with a cyclic subgroup of index two and for $\mathrm{D}_{2n}\times \mathrm{C}_2$, and determines $\beta_{ ext{sep}}^K(G)$ for all groups of order at most $16$, revealing that $\beta_{ ext{sep}}^K(G)$ can coincide with that of a proper direct factor in non-abelian cases. The paper also identifies the smallest non-abelian groups where $\beta_{ ext{sep}}^K(G)<\beta^K(G)$ and develops methods to reduce to multiplicity-free representations using Helly-dimension concepts and automorphism techniques. A detailed discussion of base-field dependence, monotonicity failures, and methodological insights is provided, along with an outline of a computational framework for estimating $\beta_{ ext{sep}}^K(G)$ in practice. Overall, the results clarify the nuanced relationship between separating invariants and generators across concrete finite groups and lay groundwork for further exploration of $\beta_{ ext{sep}}^K(G)$ in broader classes.

Abstract

Let $G$ be a finite group and $K$ a field containing an element of multiplicative order $|G|$. It is shown that if $G$ has a cyclic subgroup of index at most $2$, then the separating Noether number over $K$ of $G$ coincides with the Noether number over $K$ of $G$. The same conclusion holds when $G$ is the direct product of a dihedral group and the $2$-element group. On the other hand, the smallest non-abelian groups $G$ are found for which the separating Noether number over $K$ is strictly less than the Noether number over $K$. Along the way the exact value of the separating Noether number is determined for all groups of order at most $16$. The results show in particular that unlike the ordinary Noether number, the separating Noether number of a non-abelian finite group may well be equal to the separating Noether number of a proper direct factor of the group.

Separating versus ordinary Noether numbers

TL;DR

This work investigates the separating Noether number for finite groups in the non-modular setting, comparing it to the ordinary Noether number . It proves exact values for groups with a cyclic subgroup of index two and for , and determines for all groups of order at most , revealing that can coincide with that of a proper direct factor in non-abelian cases. The paper also identifies the smallest non-abelian groups where and develops methods to reduce to multiplicity-free representations using Helly-dimension concepts and automorphism techniques. A detailed discussion of base-field dependence, monotonicity failures, and methodological insights is provided, along with an outline of a computational framework for estimating in practice. Overall, the results clarify the nuanced relationship between separating invariants and generators across concrete finite groups and lay groundwork for further exploration of in broader classes.

Abstract

Let be a finite group and a field containing an element of multiplicative order . It is shown that if has a cyclic subgroup of index at most , then the separating Noether number over of coincides with the Noether number over of . The same conclusion holds when is the direct product of a dihedral group and the -element group. On the other hand, the smallest non-abelian groups are found for which the separating Noether number over is strictly less than the Noether number over . Along the way the exact value of the separating Noether number is determined for all groups of order at most . The results show in particular that unlike the ordinary Noether number, the separating Noether number of a non-abelian finite group may well be equal to the separating Noether number of a proper direct factor of the group.

Paper Structure

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